I can see your issue...I have my own guild which is all family and friends. BUT...being on a PVP server ghetto gear isn’t the way to win ANY PVP fight in world or arena. I don’t raid because I like to have fun and I don’t have the time to commit to 2 hours or more in an instance. I have a family that needs to eat, have clean cloths and do homework. I am not an elitist nor is it crucial for me to puff up my chest and be top dog. I have NEVER been the player who is obsessed and HAS to play, well except when I was grinding Dragonmaw rep for my mount:-) If a fully decked out player comes over and kills me...I hope he feels better about himself…and can sleep better, full S3 gear and he is killing me ...a 70 in all green ghetto gear...but damn I look good flying away from his ass :-). I only get upset if it becomes a game....then I call in the FRIENDS and TCB. A guild that wants to have fun and be "family" is easy...you just friend up with larger raiding guilds...send your raiders over to them, and you will see if you want to raid you can, they will usually invite. We used to have 102 folks we are now down to about 20 friends. My 6 year old son plays in my guild as does my 20 year old daughter...my husband has 8 70's and all but 1 are in our guild...we are friends with raiding guilds and he goes with them to raid...and he pairs up with me to do dailies. Remember...it is a GAME...not a lifestyle. Just have fun. And you can gear up a little better now for a price with rep...so at least you are in Target gear...not Walmart wear when you head off to takle Kara.

In the predictable future Kara will be forgotten place like MC/Naxx it is now. So if you want to visit this place do it now in pug or whatever. Kara isnt considered as a gear source now (except alts and weekend gamers' toons). Its a place with easy badges only.

However I share the observations of guilds disbanding these days much more often than few months ago. At least on my server we are in th eearly stage of very bad disease called pre-wotlk syndrom. We all observed many months ago something very similiar and we memorised it as pre-bc syndrom.
Pretty soon your imba epic gear will be worse than 1st, ok, 2nd green crap you will get from outdoor trash. We didnt know it that time, but we had some suspicious. Now we are pretty sure of it, so why to bother raiding? To check how some parts of the content looks like only. Curiosity killed a cat. And wiped a raid I need to add :)

Happy hunting.

This would have been much easier to read if your essay would have included proper grammar usage, and if you organized your ideas into sentences.

Someone needs to study more and WoW less...

You can get on the top of wowjutsu by raiding Kara?

I am lucky that i am in a very very chill raiding guild were you can raid a little or a lot. People generally dont care about your spec or even if your rolling in pvp gear. Everyone is casual and nice and people never yell or get angry. Its the perfect guild. And we are progressing very fast. I hope you can find a casual raiding guild like mine.

lemme tell ya what FORBEARANCE IN elune realm are exactly what u describe.power trips,egos,and plain disrespect.i ran half of kara with them only to be told i was being swapped out for a more well knon guild member.so of coarse it pissed me off.and since i was being replaced anyway.i logged my toon rite out of kara.when i came back on i was no longer a member.some great guild.this is pretty much the same thing i get with all big guilds i join.

Sadly the Raiding Guilds have poor reputations. They are extremenly hard to start as everyone is in a guild of somekind. The few times I have ran with a Raiding guild the storty is the same. My gear sucks, my healing sucks, I am called rude and while it was they who asked me to help them because they are short on healers I am to blame for the wipes and not finishing Kara Bosses.

I am dying to run NAX, Molton Core, Black Rock Spire but everyone is so tainted on PUGs or "Leet" Raid Guilds that finding toons to run those places is overwhelming difficult.

The guild <Blonde's Minion> is my attempt to create a good casual Raider guild for toons that want to explore the world and have some fun solving puzzles.

One goal of <Blonde's Minion> is to have toons run all the instances in proper order. That way they can build gear sets and have the proper sequence of mobs to learn how to fight harder mobs. Each progressive step gains the toon experience, gear, and enhancements for resist that are needed to get to the next instance.

Take the SunWell as an example. I ran Mage Terrace the first day it was open. It was rough. We had to wipe and wipe and wipe. The group reformed several times. We finally got it done the first day, but it was hard to do. I was doing something wrong.

WoW had us run the reputation quests to get the experience and items we needed to do better in Mage Terrace. Each daily built up to help toons find the right mix of gear and experience. Then the gear for rep provided the protection needed to run Mage Terrace.

Then I worked the dailies till I reached exhalted. What a learned from the Daily Quests was that I needed Arcane Protection and resist. Where had the daily's sent me? To places to collect materials to make Arcane resistance gear. To fight mobs that hit me with Arcane. And what I ended up with was better Arcane gear.

This the same pattern taught from BRD. Fire. All the quests build to make your gear better Fire Resist and teach you how to fight Black Irons. Its a slow process but I see now how Blizz was preparing us to run these instances.

But there is a segment of the Toon Population that does work with the Enviroment but rather fights the Enivronment. They use PVP or the forces of too much Gold to purchase the "best" gear to let them use brute force in the Instance. Blizz has seen this and is retaliatiing with Instances that are "Geared" to the PVE toons who have worked their way through the instances in order.

The world of Azeroth and Outland is tons of fun, but only if you Play the Game. Just like the Twinks in BG have made BG boring at best and a Curse fest at worse, the Badge Twinks in Instances, are just not fun toons to run with anymore. Over Geared and Under Learned soon become boring. If you have ever seen a "Chav" you sort of know what I am talking about.