Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

Retrius — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:48:48 GMT

Actellim - Maybe you didn't read close enough. The comment was about Retribution paladins gaining raid slots, not prot or holy or the state of their respecs post patch. Thank you.

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

actellim — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:57:57 GMT

"I doubt you will find a PvE raid anywhere that will enjoy the nerfs that will be implemented on a class that barely got raid invites in the first place." what? paladins never got to raid? funny, most of the MT's and quite a few of my heals have been paladins over the past few months. guess they don't count, because they spent the 50g to respec after they hit 70.

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

Necrophob — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:08:35 GMT

The insane damage output of ret pallys was immediately obvious in beta when I came up against one. I figured they'd fix that before putting the changes live, and was surprised when the pally changes went thru, insane dps and all. Ok, I can deal with that. Until I log into battlegrounds and half the other team is made up of ret paladins. They have plate, they have high dps, they have heals, they have amazing mana usage, and something alot of people overlook, they have stuns.

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

serpiroth — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:49:48 GMT

I've played palidans since the burning crusade came out. I've played all the specs I could think of and yes ret was broken before the patch. But I knew there were going to be nerfs, and to me the nerfs are acceptible. The other night for example I was alternating divine storm, crusader strike, judgement of wisdom(with seal of wisdom), excorsism, and holy wrath while doing the invasion event, and I never had to stop to rest at all. That's rediculous in my opinion. Also when I use seal of command getting a 3200 judgment crit is just op, and its even worse with avenging wrath. I welcome these nerfs because if they really wanted to, they could be so much worse.

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

imperceptus81 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:37:41 GMT

I think people complain more about the retribution paladins because they don't have one, instead of arguing in the sake of game balancing.

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

h41fgod — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:04:20 GMT

You have to admit, you were OP. Your mana regen made you better long term healers than holy, it was impossible to run out of mana. So they addressed this. You did more damage than everyone else. So they addressed this. Is it enough? Too much? I dont know. But it was sorely needed. Dont get me wrong either, Im a warrior. And I think that a retardin with equal skill and gear should almost always beat a warrior. But it should be a fight, not a Hammer of Injustice, dead kind of deal. Because we are all physical warriors should have the damage advantage over a paladin against cloth, and your holy stuff gives you an advantage against plate armor. I want people to think hard about if theyre bringing a retardin, shaman, rogue or warrior, for PvP or PvE. And surprise, thats exactly what ghostcrawler wants too.

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

theurge14 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:35:35 GMT

Feel are imbalances? Ret pallys wear plate, cast spells, heal themselves and are currently leading damage output while outhealing more than 50% of the field in every single battleground out there. How in the world do you come up with the conclusion that you aren't unbalanced? Oh that's right, you're a ret pally. :P

re: Free Character Moves, GC on Paladins, Ret Hotfixes

Retrius — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:30:36 GMT

I just have to say, I've been playing Retribution for a long time. Not prot, or holy, ever. And it seems like 3 years now I played with what I felt was a broken tree. And suddenly the tree is FIXED and I rejoice. And now, everyone is taking their piece of the Ret tree down, like an ornament that doesn't belong. I object, wholeheartedly. I don't use Seal of 'Blood/Martyr'. It's like a paladin speccing into Sacrifice in D2 - USELESS. And to weaken the real seal (beloved Seal of Command) for some upstart crap Seal, is a disgrace. The changes coming might be 'needed' or 'required' for others that do NOT play Ret, but I still object. We haven't even reached maximum level cap in live servers yet, and already the tree that NEEDED the most attention is getting it from the entirely wrong source - People that die when they meet a Ret paladin in PVP. I doubt you will find a PvE raid anywhere that will enjoy the nerfs that will be implemented on a class that barely got raid invites in the first place. The suddenly useful Ret spec gets a hearty shove to the side, due to what people feel are imbalances. Rediculous.