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Originally Posted by obliterated

two things im CERTAIN of. i have NOT lied and i have NOT brought rediculous accusations to the 2 posts that have been deleted.

 

i believe that everything you guys have done so far with this has been shady, from the no warning on the program that im aware of that this was gonna happen, to the checking with your lawyers making sure it was legal, to the no warning that it was going to start charging before it happened. And we are all just calling u out on it. That does not make it a lie, that does not make it rediculous. i'm upset by your apparent lack of concern at your "customers" displeasure in what you are doing is all. But the bottom line is its your site, its your program, and its your call.

And judging by the lack of any real constructive explanations on these forums that i can find. i would assume this will not be changing at anytime and that this decision by you guys is final.

Actually some people are calling us on issues they have raised. It is a far cry from "everyone." And yes, it's ridiculous.

Curse Client was always trial premium, going back all the way to September. You had to accept a dialogue box accepting that fact. We have said consistantly and constantly that a premium model was in the works.

My understanding is that when we checked with our Lawyers it was to ensure we were in compliance with Blizzards's policy.

The simple fact here is that you can still download and install addons. You can choose to accept it, not accept it etc. That's a choice that is each individual's. Not all will like the changes we have implemented, however it is clear that many have.

So what happens if Blizzard comes to you tomorrow and requests you cease charging for anything related to WoW?
Would Curse fold up?

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Originally Posted by Erzeal

So what happens if Blizzard comes to you tomorrow and requests you cease charging for anything related to WoW?
Would Curse fold up?

the bigger question is... *when* curse becomes an impotent medium, will WoWi get big in the head just like curse did and start trying to profiteer off of mod authors?

If any site ever tried profiteering off of us authors, I think said site would die a quick, unpleasant, death.

....

Wait, it did. It was called WowMatrix, and now it is dead because it tried to profiteer off Curse, WowInterface, and addon authors. Can't say they weren't warned, repeatedly, because they were.

And if Blizzard stepped in and told Curse (they would have to do the same to every addon site as well) how to host addons, then my guess is the addon community as a whole would probably collapse. Because, as I said, Blizzard would have to go after everybody, simultaneously. Good thing no site I am aware of is giving them cause.

*looks at front page*

Well my guess is the admins might cry a little.

Then on Monday morning they'll just roll over and go back to supporting all the other games they make/host stuff for.

OK, Blizzard can spout and scream all it wants, but Curse is a seperate legal entity.  Blizzard cannot makes rules to inhibit another business, period.  Technically, since addons are intellectual property of their creators and hence they are automatically copywritten by the authors, Blizz's new "rules" are moot.  Sorry, federal law overrules even mighty Blizzard.   They worst they ccan do is somehow make it so that any addon that breaks their "rules" will not work in game.  That's what the new WTB folder is to be used for.   So, in conclusion, Blizzard's "rules" are pointless and legally inactionable. 

Besides, Curse has never said you have to pay to use it.  It's still absolutely free.  People who are saying they're going back to updating manually, why?  You can only do that one addon at a time too.  Sure, it was a terrible idea to give everyone a free trial and then take it away as people got used to it and it felt like something we had a right to was taken away.  They should've just added premium without any trial and perhaps they should still find other ways to make it more appealing and return the "Update All Addons" ability to the masses. 

I, for one, am glad that Curse is doing something for us authors.  I'm obviously not making addons for money, I do it for fun, no one is forcing me to write addons, but a little appreciation is nice once in awhile.  I have been writing various addons for a couple of months now and have them on four different site, even WoWMatrix, and I have never even gotten 1 penny by donation and have only ever received 3 thank you, usually by other authors.  So, if you don't want to donate or don't feel the addon is worth a donation, at least say thanks to the author.  It means more than you may think.

"OK, Blizzard can spout and scream all it wants, but Curse is a seperate legal entity.  Blizzard cannot makes rules to inhibit another business, period.  Technically, since addons are intellectual property of their creators and hence they are automatically copywritten by the authors, Blizz's new "rules" are moot.  Sorry, federal law overrules even mighty Blizzard."

I distinctly recall Carbonite getting hammered for making a premium for pay version of their add on, which resulted in these new rules. Go read them.  And if you think Curse is doing this for "you authors", I have a bridge to sell you. If we users want to donate to the add on author, we will donate DIRECTLY to that author. Pull a bait and switch stunt like Curse and try to force people to pay for features they were already getting, and see how quickly users  turn their back on you like so many of us turned our backs on Curse. As I said before, there were numerous other ways for Curse to raise money other then resorting to this premium for pay crap. And they would not have even had to deal with this issue of whether or not it is allowed by Blizzard.

As for me, I will get my add ons from their author's own sites. I refuse to use Curse for anything.

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As I've stated in many threads.  We've been in contact with blizzard.  We've satisfied any concerns they have had about premium.  Please keep this thread civil (on both sides) or I'll be locking it next. 

just uninstalling.

Sadly after 3 years of using curse to dl all my addons I dont think I will be using it anymore. I think that it is very sad that curse feels the need to charge for bandwidth. Before Premium I could dl an addon in no more than 4 sec. Now it takes over a min on some of them to dl. I understand wanting to help the authors but.... I should get the same dl rate if i pay or not. How sad that it has sunk this low. Hope to see a change in the bandwidth allowed for non premium accounts. Curse could have found another way around this issue without resorting to charging for bandwidth.

I have followed with great interest this and other threads regarding the premium service Curse is now offering and I believe I finally have come to my own conclusion.  I have been a member since 12/11/2007 and have followed the forums as well as the news, and of course, I abused my fair share of the Curse bandwidth prior to even registering.  I began playing WoW in November 2005 after the great SOE/Lucas Arts fiasco with Star Wars Galaxies.  I have kept up on these, as well as the other posts regarding various business practices and models, and what may be best for Curse's future.  I am an addon junkie, and love having loads of information at my fingertips so the amount of downloads I have manually handled since approximately December 2005 is immense.  You see, while I like having the information, I usually change all of my mods at least two to three times monthly.

I laughed pretty hard when I read the posts of certain individuals with several hundred post counts stating that the opinions of those with posts of less then X number are not valid.  This statement smacks of ignorance, narrow-mindedness, and poor intelligence, and I am very sad to see that happen.  It is not the post count that generates valid opinions, but the way the message is delivered and the research that goes into creating the message.

I can honestly say I am quite disturbed at the views of certain Curse employees(?) who posted here at the beginning encouraging people not to pay for this site and to go elsewhere to download addons.  And these two reasons are why I am not going to be paying for the premium service.  I dislike immaturity and unprofessionalism in whatever ventures I choose to place my money.  I will find a way to continue to donate to the addon authors and I will be distinctly pleased to know that all of my donation is going for their benefit instead of the way that Curse is going to have it done.  A small share will go to the author, after the bills are paid, and the expenses are handled.

Good day, and good luck.

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Originally Posted by DissoCrushridge

I can honestly say I am quite disturbed at the views of certain Curse employees(?) who posted here at the beginning encouraging people not to pay for this site and to go elsewhere to download addons.  And these two reasons are why I am not going to be paying for the premium service.  I dislike immaturity and unprofessionalism in whatever ventures I choose to place my money.  I will find a way to continue to donate to the addon authors and I will be distinctly pleased to know that all of my donation is going for their benefit instead of the way that Curse is going to have it done.  A small share will go to the author, after the bills are paid, and the expenses are handled.

Can you please point out the Curse "employees" you're referencing?  And I agree -- post count means nothing -- it's the quality of the post.

I agree. Throttling our download speeds if we don't have premium? That's pretty damn weaksauce. And no update-all? My god...guess there is no reason for the curse client anymore. I can download the addons from another site and have them installed faster than my new throttled download speed would take off this crap.

It was nice while it lasted. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by hollyhock03

I agree. Throttling our download speeds if we don't have premium? That's pretty damn weaksauce. And no update-all? 

Every one of your addons do not update every single day. Downloading and installing updates for all your addons isn't the only thing the Curse Client does.

For me I get value in that with the free client it will still :

* Check what addons need updating

* Sort these addons up the top of the list.

So just with these 2 steps the free version of the Curse Client it's still saving time. You don't have to load up any bookmarks or look through any RSS feeds or look through any addon update emails. What's been updated is at the top of the window. In bold I believe.

From there it's just a few clicks to update.

For example :

You start it up.

It checks what needs to be updated.

It tells you 4 addons need to be updated.

With 8 clicks you're updated.

IMHO it's shorter then one game of that Peggle addon.

In fact.... WTB Peggle inside my Curse Client :D

PS Now if I knew it also let me look at the change logs then that would be perfect for me :D

OH wow. I have read this ENTIRE thread and have decided two things:

1) Curse is in fact a GREAT service.

2) Curse is trying to do all of this off of ads and they NEED other sources of income.

HOW THEY ACHIEVE THIS:

They do NOT require payments.

Payments help for bandwidth and other hosting costs.

Regular members get regular D/L speeds NOT throttled down.

And I am going to donate as soon as posible AND also directly to the developers that make these addons come to life.

People, you need to stop arguing. Understand that these people are untitled to a living. they need money just like you.

And you should be proud to live in a counrty where we have the right to get to chose what we want and are able to speak our minds freely.

Thank you.

/target koganinja89

/hug

I just want to improve the client and help users who are having problems. That includes non-premium users who pay for nothing and donate to no one.

See you in the support forums!

Honestly I know this. don't think that because I don't put hundreds of lines of bs in my post means that I am not concurrent and well aware of posible motives and requisites. Thank you for the clarification of thing I was too lazy to say and simplify. lol.

Curse should post their financial information too...but only if pngguy posts his first as a show of good faith :)

Financial records are a matter of privacy. No person or company has to release that information to any entity other than the government to which taxes are paid. Asking for that information violates all kinds of privacy laws. As Apu of Simpson's fame says: "Thank you. Please come again."