Sure, the guys over at twentyfifthnovember clearing all available Wrath raid content a couple days after release may not come as a surprise, or set off any alarms, simply because they had experience. But this. This is not right, and a definite sign that some of the concerns about the raid content in Wrath of the Lich King being too easy may be true.
Today they went back to Sartharion's lair and completed the Heroic: The Twilight Zone achievement. This was an achievement mentioned at BlizzCon as a throwback to Zul'Aman, in that it's intended for higher tier guilds than the content is initially designed for. Yet, there are no higher tiers right now. You can say all you want about them being devoted players, or that they spend more time than anyone else playing the game (they actually probably don't), but when something is accomplished one to three tiers before it should be, something is definitely awry.
The loot was the same as killing him without the drakes up, you just get more of it. You can find more screenshots of the kill, the drake mount reward, and others at http://www.twentyfifthnovember.com/. So, what are your thoughts? Is this indication that there need to be some tweaks done to the content difficulty?
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I don't think we need to start sounding alarm bells unless other "Mortal" guilds are successfully clearing this content next week with little to no difficulty in progression.
I don't think we need to start sounding alarm bells unless other "Mortal" guilds are successfully clearing this content next week with little to no difficulty in progression.
i'm one of those casual players with a small guild so the chance for me to raid alot in bc was small and it took alot of work just to try and get into a raid group.and the last thing i want to do while trying to have fun is work, i do enough of that in the real world so if they (blizz) did make the game ezer to raid then i'm all for it.why you may ask it's simple i feel like i paid money for game content i would never get to see. and the only reason i'm still playing wow is because i heard that they are trying to make the game content where everyone can see and play it. the 25th pple need to understand the game was made to be played by everyone. i know what, you want to do something game changing try taking over a hole country killing everyone for the opp faction. or something hard like that. all you guys did is get the gear and played the same thing over and over until you got it right. then moved on to the next boss and did it again. how many times did they wipe? dose it matter? no... why? because if you wipe you just rez and go back and try try try again until you don't. big deal.
so should we change the game just to make these pple happy? not if blizz wants me to keep paying them. bottom line if it was not for us"casual players" would there be agame?and i think it's funny now what are they gonna do now that they have done it all.but i have read someone who had a good idea about how blizz could make high end guilds happy make a realm just for all the top guilds and make everything in the realm harder to kill plus why we are at it make the realm a pvp realm that way all of these really great guilds can have the harder game to play and better bragging rights because they are not just going against the game but each other. and when i mean each other thats just what i mean so not only would you have to worry about the other faction but you would have to worry about other pple from other guilds in short a horde player could gank anouther horde play from a differnt guild. that would be something to really brag about ... hey i'm in the top guild in a realm where it's every guild for themselfs. but of course that would most likly never happen. wow i wrote alot sorry about that lol and i know my spelling is crappy along with my grammar,
in closeing to the pple of the 25th congradz but don't try and change the game
i'm one of those casual players with a small guild so the chance for me to raid alot in bc was small and it took alot of work just to try and get into a raid group.and the last thing i want to do while trying to have fun is work, i do enough of that in the real world so if they (blizz) did make the game ezer to raid then i'm all for it.why you may ask it's simple i feel like i paid money for game content i would never get to see. and the only reason i'm still playing wow is because i heard that they are trying to make the game content where everyone can see and play it. the 25th pple need to understand the game was made to be played by everyone. i know what, you want to do something game changing try taking over a hole country killing everyone for the opp faction. or something hard like that. all you guys did is get the gear and played the same thing over and over until you got it right. then moved on to the next boss and did it again. how many times did they wipe? dose it matter? no... why? because if you wipe you just rez and go back and try try try again until you don't. big deal.
so should we change the game just to make these pple happy? not if blizz wants me to keep paying them. bottom line if it was not for us"casual players" would there be agame?and i think it's funny now what are they gonna do now that they have done it all.but i have read someone who had a good idea about how blizz could make high end guilds happy make a realm just for all the top guilds and make everything in the realm harder to kill plus why we are at it make the realm a pvp realm that way all of these really great guilds can have the harder game to play and better bragging rights because they are not just going against the game but each other. and when i mean each other thats just what i mean so not only would you have to worry about the other faction but you would have to worry about other pple from other guilds in short a horde player could gank anouther horde play from a differnt guild. that would be something to really brag about ... hey i'm in the top guild in a realm where it's every guild for themselfs. but of course that would most likly never happen. wow i wrote alot sorry about that lol and i know my spelling is crappy along with my grammar,
in closeing to the pple of the 25th congradz but don't try and change the game
Just my rant.
WTB 40 man pre-TBC raids.
Just my rant.
WTB 40 man pre-TBC raids.
I think here those hardcore raiders have a different opinion of "real life", turning the game into a job where you are on half as many hours (if not more) a night as you spend working each day, is not casual.
While I am willing to wager some activities may have been dumbed down too much, I don't think the 1% need an appology from Blizzard just because they made a concerted effort to blow through the content as fast as humanly possible.
I also think the hardcore raiders of present day are extremely out of touch with the casual raiding player base. As someone who has a "server first achievement" background from Pre=BC, I can safely say that there are many of us out there who do greatly enjoy the challenge. However we want to do it with the people we choose to do it with. And as we all know more often that not the "Hardcore" often bring with them impersonality, rudeness, yelling, and many other traits grown adults don't feel are needed to make something "challenging"
Again, where would we be in Blizzard made all of this content just for the one or two guilds on a given server who only feel special if they blow through everything they can?
Just as you would accuse me of whining and wanting it easy, I would say you're not happy unless you're being an elitist jerk. Learn to share script kiddies, it's ok if we all get to experience the content. We'll go ahead and still pretend your e-peen is the biggest.
I think here those hardcore raiders have a different opinion of "real life", turning the game into a job where you are on half as many hours (if not more) a night as you spend working each day, is not casual.
While I am willing to wager some activities may have been dumbed down too much, I don't think the 1% need an appology from Blizzard just because they made a concerted effort to blow through the content as fast as humanly possible.
I also think the hardcore raiders of present day are extremely out of touch with the casual raiding player base. As someone who has a "server first achievement" background from Pre=BC, I can safely say that there are many of us out there who do greatly enjoy the challenge. However we want to do it with the people we choose to do it with. And as we all know more often that not the "Hardcore" often bring with them impersonality, rudeness, yelling, and many other traits grown adults don't feel are needed to make something "challenging"
Again, where would we be in Blizzard made all of this content just for the one or two guilds on a given server who only feel special if they blow through everything they can?
Just as you would accuse me of whining and wanting it easy, I would say you're not happy unless you're being an elitist jerk. Learn to share script kiddies, it's ok if we all get to experience the content. We'll go ahead and still pretend your e-peen is the biggest.
I think casual players need to think about if they are having fun or just playing for purples.
I think casual players need to think about if they are having fun or just playing for purples.
Go and try doing some heroics the moment you ding 80. Your gear cant be that great if you felt like you achieved something when downing gruuls. Just a statement, not a flame, Im in the same spot. I have replaced almost all my gear at 80 already and heroics are a LOT harder than anything I did pre-wotlk.
If you are not the top 1-2% of the raiding community (or whatever had all of MH/BT/SWP cleared) wotlk is going to provide some challenge. You probably arent even lvl 80 yet.
Now, back to the thread in general. First, the reason karazhan took time is because to be honest, most people couldnt even do the prequests on normal for the first while of TBC. The gear for tanks was pretty rubbish, warriors were not faceroll tanking and paladins werent even allowed close to tank gear. The itemization for most casters were absolutely horrendous unless you were in AQ20+, people had no idea of game mechanics etc.
TLDR, the difference between vanilla and TBC was insane, wotlk is just the natural progression from tbc, not an entirely new endgame.
Go and try doing some heroics the moment you ding 80. Your gear cant be that great if you felt like you achieved something when downing gruuls. Just a statement, not a flame, Im in the same spot. I have replaced almost all my gear at 80 already and heroics are a LOT harder than anything I did pre-wotlk.
If you are not the top 1-2% of the raiding community (or whatever had all of MH/BT/SWP cleared) wotlk is going to provide some challenge. You probably arent even lvl 80 yet.
Now, back to the thread in general. First, the reason karazhan took time is because to be honest, most people couldnt even do the prequests on normal for the first while of TBC. The gear for tanks was pretty rubbish, warriors were not faceroll tanking and paladins werent even allowed close to tank gear. The itemization for most casters were absolutely horrendous unless you were in AQ20+, people had no idea of game mechanics etc.
TLDR, the difference between vanilla and TBC was insane, wotlk is just the natural progression from tbc, not an entirely new endgame.