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I don't care what anyone else says, I think Blizzard has done an ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC job with this game! They have tons of content for the casual gamer (I'm in what we term a "casual raiding guild". We don't have DKP, we're more than happy to sit out and let new people in. We're here just to have fun! We started raiding Kara about 3 weeks ago and have already cleared Attune, Moroes, Maiden, and Big Bad Wolf.). Aside from that example, there's tons and tons of daily quests, constant addition of new quest lines and reputations to look into. You can PuG anything in this game short of high-end heroics (even Kara sometimes, though it's risky with the saved instance issue) and even those sometimes, as the people looking to run them often know how to play their characters.

Yes this game is a grind. That is the definition of this style of MMORPG. If you don't like it, find a different style game. The thing is, it's a constantly rewarding grind that has so many different things to grind that it often doesn't feel like one at all! If you are singly-dedicated to getting to the big stuff first, and concentrate on a single rep till it's done, it's no wonder you hate it, as that gets old quickly. The key is variety!

As to new content, expansions and the like, Blizzard has released new content in about every 3rd or 4th patch, which usually comes to about once per 3-4 months something big comes out. This is insane, and we don't even need to pay for it!! As for expansions, no past Blizzard game has had more than one expansion. It's unusual enough that they would release multiple for a game at all, much less one every year. If they stopped making content patches and pulled an EQ, releasing a new X-pac every year or less, that'd be a huge turn for the worse.

So please please people, stop thinking only about what sucks in this game and concentrate on why your playing it in the first place: Because it's by far the best one out there of this style and because it's FUN!!

I already have cleared it, so I know full well the difficulty of the place.

No matter what you try and claim, you cannot objectively claim that khara is the same as ubrs simply because the mechanics for a raid instance (kharazan) are different to a regulard instance (ubrs).

Going with random 9 idiots to UBRS won't prevent you from getting anything done in UBRS that week, nor will you suddenly find some of the bosses already dead cause you don't have a shared raid-ID with some random git that decided to go to the place without bothering asking the same 9 people he was there with last time.

Khara is not PuGable in the real meaning of the word, UBRS was. The only block to ubrs, was the key, but usually someone could be found with it. The block to Khara are atunement, raid-IDs, an instance length that you cannot complete in an average instance session and encounters that require alot more attention than regular instance encounters.

The only difference between UBRS and Stratholme, was the number of people in the raid. Heck, untill they patched the change, strat was considered a 10 man place by most too. Both places played out timewise, encounterwise and gamemechanical in the background like regular instances.

Khara is a world apart from the regular level 70 instances like SL,SV,SH and so on.

You might as well claim an apple is a vegtable as claim Khara is akin to ubrs.

You can compare Kharazan to ZG or AQ20, as these too were introduction level raids with everything that follows with such a thing.

Spounting off nonsense that Khara is UBRS is just plain silly; Or being extremely ignorant of the mechanics in the game.

"Karazhan is the new UBRS."

The sheer size of the place and the fact that you're saved to the instance disagrees with you.

UBRS was a regular instance just designed for 10 man that could be completed in a night without trouble in most PuGs. It was not a raid instance as such in anything but the number of 10 people needed.

Kharazan is a far cry from a regular instance with beefed up player number, and is a raid instance in every aspect of it.

You're gonna claim that SSC/TK is the new ZG/AQ20 too, while you're at it? That would at least have some credit to the underlying mechanics of the game, which your other assumption did not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI

this should answer your question

What's that fajita thing about? it's hilarious, wanna know lol

This is what I don't understand, and something I have argued with a great number of people about. There are two different communities in WoW, the casual players and the hardcore.

Blizzard continuously adds content for both types of players though people seem to quite often miss the point of the content.

Karazhan is the new UBRS. As people get better geared you will see more and more PuGs running Karazhan. It is the intro raid that allows for casual players / guilds to get a taste of raiding. There is nothing outrageous that you have to do to enter Karazhan other than a very simple quest line that can be completed in a few evenings of play.

If you are raiding SSC/The Eye and you want the Flasks, then the grind to Exaulted is something you shouldn't whine about. Sure grinding it out with The Aldor/Scryers is a REAL pain but the other two are really easy and any hardcore player should expect this kind of requirement to get things like Flasks. 25 Man Raids = Hardcore = More work & Time invested. Don't expect to play with the big dogs if you can't get off the porch.

An Epic Flying Mount is aptly named.. It's freaking EPIC. EPIC does not equal casual. There is no content that you can not reach or complete without an Epic Flying Mount, it is just something that is a goal for more hardcore people, and more for showing off than anything else.

I attained my Epic Flight Form as soon as the patch hit where it was introduced. I didn't do this for any reason other than Bragging rights. I was one of the first Druids on my server with Epic Flight Form which meant I spent the ENTIRE day of the patch knocking out the quest line and then running Heroic Sethekk that night. If you don't want to spend that much time playing WoW then don't expect that Blizzard to give you free epics.

I have a rogue who just joined my guild. She has never been in a raiding guild before nor has she EVER been a hardcore player. She enjoys WoW for WoW and plays with her free time.

In a few hours a day she is geared in incredible great that was attained from Daily Quests, PvP, Arenas and a 5 man thrown in here or there. Nobody can say that she is hardcore with a 2 or 3 hour a day playstyle.

I hate to say it like this, but WoW is supposed to be fun. You play WoW in the style that you like. If you want to play casual there are options and if you want to be hardcore there are also options. If you play the game there is obviously a reason for it.

And to anyone who complains about WoW not being friendly to the casual player, you never played EQ1 back in the day. Casual players couldn't even hardly get a surname never mind ever consider doing a dungeon or a raid OR ever seeing any decent gear at all.

I don't care if anyone is going to "kill" WoW, I just want someone to finally make a fun and good MMO

MrYinx, you forgot the part where you need to be exalted with 3 different factions just to be able to turn in a token as we are starting to experience in my guild now, after we made our first steps in The Eye.

Sure, we don't 'need' to be able to turn in the tokens, but the tokens were there to make less farming required, and demanding exalted with 3 factions, one of which is a decisive AH faction to grind rep with, seems slightly over the top, don't you think?

I don't really see WAR as a threat to WoW, maybe I'm being ignorant, but I do think it comes out at a bad time, has too strong focus on hardcore PvP(which while some people think otherwise, in my experience is not what the vast majority of MMO players seeks) and lack polishing at it's current state(I know it is in Beta but EA doesn't have a tremendous history of listening to customer feedback), to beat WoW. It'll certainly be successful, but I don't see it as a "WoW killer".

As many people said, I think having TBC come out in China will help to easily surpass 10 million customers.

All you people whine about those 5k. And those heroics keys, that you need to be a hardcore gamer for Kara and such.

ALL BUT THAT IS TRUE!

Because you dont need to have that epic mount do you? there is a 60% mount that does just fine for my, while im questing my way up with daily's to get some gold every day, while im leveling my alt too.

And you dont need those heroic keys, because why would you want to do heroics? for the improved gear maybe yes, but hey then you need to put some time in. And to be honest, if you do some instance runs for the quest, you are near revered before you know it.

And about the hardcore gaming, thats more untrue than anything. Im a tank, lvl 70 ofc, MT or OT since me and the other tank exchange rolls. both around 12k unbuffed and 490 defense. we dont have epic gear or shiny swords to kill that other, but our whole party has a relaxt aura. we dont do /cry if we dont make it to Netherbane or whatever his name may be, even if we wipe 3 times on Moroes we dont care.

Because the game is designed to have FUN.

Yes fun is what its ment to be, and if you wanna be a hardcore gamer, freak out in heroics about noobs, or keep doing daily's and shitloads of heroics for you gear and whatever those hardcore gamers do, sure do it. but dont forget you need to have FUN.

Yinx.

PS. invite me to a party any time, ill show u fun. /dance ftw.

EDIT: And fyi, they are constant working on new features, like BT, Hyjal, ZUl'Aman, the whole daily system, see about that and think again! you think blizzard can pull extention packs out of thin air? they are humans too!

EDIT2: Good Job Blizzard!

But not in Germany. The localisation here is aweful, many people quit just because of this.

Can you imagine, someone renames everything while you are playing? It is not acceptable!

If Blizz would keep to their word...which they never do....we would have a new xpac every year....don't have the link but thats what they said....i know alot of ppl who recently quit because of the ridiculous amount of grindng rep and gold u need to do any thing...5k gold for and epic mount. Jeez thats a lil much. i been playin over 2 years with alota of high lvl toons and all of them together havent seen 5k. but if blizz keeps fresh stuff movin in...which they don't...more ppl would be less likely to quit and that 10 million ppl playing would probly happen fast. Looking forward to Zul'Aman but that in its self is not enough for others. Basically blizz has crushed the "casual" player title. If you can't dedicate 40 hrs a week to rep grinding and raiding (which is damn near impossible on some servers ::cough::BaelgunUS::cough::) you are going nowhere ingame there for you quit..but anyways i know i just QQ all over this..sry...gratz blizz on brain washing a million more of us